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	<title>A Labourer at the Bitface &#187; referendum</title>
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		<title>Let&#8217;s All Say &#8220;Yes&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://devilgate.org/blog/2011/05/03/lets-all-say-yes/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 13:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Martin McCallion</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This morning I heard John Humphrys haul the Prime Minister over the coals regarding the behaviour of the &#8220;No to AV&#8221; campaign. Cameron tried to separate the &#8220;Conservative No&#8221; campaign from the rest of the No campaign, while failing to &#8230; <a href="http://devilgate.org/blog/2011/05/03/lets-all-say-yes/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This morning I heard John Humphrys haul the Prime Minister over the coals regarding the behaviour of the &#8220;No to AV&#8221; campaign.  Cameron tried to separate the &#8220;Conservative No&#8221; campaign from the rest of the No campaign, while failing to condemn the outright lies told by the broader campaign.  It was a remarkable piece of squirming, and decidedly unconvincing.</p>

<p>He then went on to use the &#8220;one person one vote&#8221; argument.  This asserts that under AV, some people&#8217;s votes are counted more than once.  It ignores the fact that <em>every</em> voter can specify a list of preferences, of course, but it also seems to take an over-literal interpretation of the word &#8220;count&#8221;.  True, if my first preference is eliminated (under AV), my second preference is counted, which means that in some sense my ballot paper (or the entries on it) must be counted again; but ultimately the preferences I state are only applied towards one candidate.  My paper only &#8220;counts&#8221; towards one person.</p>

<p>Alternatively, consider it a minor redefinition of what a &#8220;vote&#8221; is.  Instead of meaning a single &#8220;X&#8221; placed in a single box, it means a set of one or more preferences specified on a ballot paper.  &#8220;One person, one paper,&#8221; you could say.</p>

<p>And last night I heard a &#8220;Referendum Broadcast&#8221; by the No campaign.  It was incredibly stupid, too; and again by being over-literal.  It analogised an AV-based election as a horse race, in which horse A came first, but the victory was awarded to third-placed horse C.  Everyone was very confused.  Because AV is so complex that nobody can understand it.</p>

<p><a href="http://i.imgur.com/kk2lZ.jpg">Here&#8217;s a picture</a> that shows the complexities of the two systems.</p>

<p>Come on, say &#8220;Yes&#8221; on Thursday.</p>
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		<title>42 referendums and and a resignation</title>
		<link>http://devilgate.org/blog/2008/06/13/42-referendums-and-and-a-resignation/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Martin McCallion</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Britain today]]></category>
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		<category><![CDATA[42 days]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#8217;t decide on this David Davis thing Is it just a stunt? Is he genuinely concerned enough about civil liberties to take the chance (small though it is) of losing his seat? Certainly he sounds sincere when he talks &#8230; <a href="http://devilgate.org/blog/2008/06/13/42-referendums-and-and-a-resignation/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t decide on this <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7450627.stm">David Davis thing</a> Is it just a stunt?  Is he genuinely concerned enough about civil liberties to take the chance (small though it is) of losing his seat?  Certainly he sounds sincere when he talks about his concerns about the growth of state power; and Shami Chakrabarti of <a href="http://www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/">Liberty</a> counts him as a friend, it seems.</p>

<p>But as <a href="http://ciphergoth.livejournal.com/313052.html">others have pointed out</a> he has a bad reputation on <a href="http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7936.html">some other rights votes</a>.</p>

<p>Still, there&#8217;s no doubt in my mind that he&#8217;d be better than &#8220;Kelvin Mc-bloody-Kenzie&#8221;:&#8230; (as backed by Rupert Murdoch, of course).</p>

<p>The most concerning thing, though, is the talk to the effect that the public is in favour of 42-day detention without trial.  <em>This</em> member of the public most certainly is not, and I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;m by no means alone.  And honestly: would people who&#8217;ve really thought it through be in favour of this kind of thing?  I find it hard to believe.  What happened, if it&#8217;s true, to the great British sense of fair play, of support for the underdog, even of disrespect for authority?  Is this another facet of the <a href="http://devilgate.org/blog/2008/02/15/human-rights-and-human-gains/that">grumbling about human rights</a> I wrote about before?</p>

<p>Maybe we need to re-educate people about what is good and right.  But how?</p>

<p>And then Ireland have <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7453560.stm">voted &#8216;No&#8217; to the EU treaty</a>.  I can&#8217;t help but think that this is a bad thing.  The EU itself has been a net good for Europe and the world, as I&#8217;ve probably said here before.  Whether these reforms will really make it better and more democratic, or not, I can&#8217;t say: I haven&#8217;t studied it.</p>

<p>Thing is, though, I would probably have been in favour of the EU constitution; if only because we could do with one in the <span class="caps">UK. </span> Admittedly, I&#8217;d want one that got rid of the monarchy and introduced an elected upper chamber in parliament, but one that further enshrined the <a href="http://www.hri.org/docs/ECHR50.html">European Convention on Human Rights</a> would be a good start.</p>

<p>It would be quite difficult to amend it, mind you, since you&#8217;d need a Europe-wide referendum.</p>

<p>But I&#8217;m havering fancifully here: it was never meant to be that kind of constitution.</p>

<p>What now, then?  Who knows, really.  I expect they&#8217;ll either re-work it slightly and try again, or just apply various components of it without the treaty.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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